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" For no one can build any foundation than this one we already have - Jesus Christ."

1 Corinthans 3: 11

 

 

 

Who are God, Jesus and Holy Spirit?

God is our heavenly Father who created the heavens and the earth.  He lovingly forgives our sins.  God gave us His Son, Jesus, who died on a cross, and arose from the dead.  Jesus now sits at the right hand of God.  He is the Messiah, our Savior.  He can be our Lord, if we believe in him and accept him.  He gave us the opportunity to receive eternal life.  When Jesus went to heaven, Holy Spirit was made available to us to comfort, teach, and guide us. 

God in the beginning:  Genesis 1 & 2
Jesus:  Matthew 1, 2 & 3
Holy Spirit:  John 15:26, 16:5-15

 

 

Are you one with God, Jesus and Holy Spirit?

If you have not accepted the Trinity (God, Jesus, Holy Spirit) into your life to receive all they have to give you, and you would like to, pray this prayer or use your own words from your heart:

“Dear Heavenly Father God, please forgive me of my sins known and unknown.  Jesus, please come into my life, heal me, and make me whole.  Give me a new life in and with you.  I wish to receive all that you have to give.  Baptize me in the fullness of your Holy Spirit, so that I can learn all I can about you, to love you as you love me, so I can love others, and, so I can love myself.  Holy Spirit, please fill me to overflowing with all the fruits and the gifts you have to give me to help me grow in Christ Jesus and be able to share the Trinity with others.  Thank you for giving me this new life.  Please send other Christians to surround me to help me grow and be strong to defeat Satan and the things of the world.  Help me to be worthy of your love.  Thank you God, Jesus and Holy Spirit.  In Jesus' name I pray, by and with the power of the Holy Spirit, to dear Heavenly Father God.  Amen.” 

 

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You are who God calls ‘The Promise Children’, as in Romans 9:25-26 NLT:

 

“Those who were not my people, I will now call my people.  And I will love those whom I did not love before.  And, once they were told, ‘You are not my people.’ But now he will say, ‘You are children of the living God.”

 

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“The Kingdom of God is near you now.”

 

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The Apostle Paul gave us this “Prayer for Spiritual Empowerment” in Ephesians 3:14-21 NLT.  It reads

“When I think of the wisdom and scope of God’s plan, I fall to my knees and pray to the Father, the Creator of everything in heaven and on earth.  I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you mighty inner strength through his Holy Spirit.  And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts as you trust in him.  May your roots go down deep into the soil of God’s marvelous love.  And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love really is.  May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it.  Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

Now glory be to God!  By his mighty power at work within us, he is able to accomplish infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope.  May he be given glory in the church and in Christ Jesus forever and ever through endless ages.  Amen.”  

Jesus told us to remain in his love in John 15:9-13 NLT:

“I have loved you even as the Father has loved me.  Remain in my love.  When you obey me, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father and remain in his love.  I have told you this so that you will be filled with my joy.  Yes, your joy will overflow!  I command you to love each other in the same way that I love you.  And here is how to measure it - the greatest love is shown when people lay down their lives for their friends." 

 

 

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September 1, 2019

Evolutionary Evidence

2 Timothy 3: 14-17

 

Acts

But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught.  You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you.  You have been taught the holy scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus.  All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives.  It straightens  us out and teaches us to do what is right.  It is God's way of preparing us in every way, fully equipped for every good thing God wants us to do.  

  

 

 

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 Thoughts....

 

 

So, I came across something while I was researching the question, "To whom does 'us' refer to in Genesis?"   Clearly, it led me down a bit different path, so we will have to revisit the original question later.  But I think you will be interested to learn what I did find. 

Right up front I am going to tell you that I not only copied and pasted a blurb from a site I'd never encountered, or at least if I have, I don't recall (but I researched the author a bit and found him credible), I also researched other sources of info and will list them.  I am telling you this upfront, because I am not a scholar in how to say/type/document 'this is where I got this from' other than to give you a list.  I know there is a formal way to do this, but I am not proficient in that area (that teaching was a long time ago), so take it for what it is worth, not my lack of value in 'correctness'.  Also, please note, any highlighted links do not work.  At least they did not work for me, so I've no idea what they will say, imply, or otherwise.   As always, use caution entering anywhere on the internet.  

 

From www.quora.com/In-Genesis-1-26-to-whom-does-us-refer

 

Will Meachum
Will Meachum, Pastor, Seminarian, Scholar
 

The first thing you have to realize about the Torah/Pentateuch is that there are multiple authors and redactors of the text. And not like, one author wrote Genesis and another wrote Exodus. There is evidence of different authorship from one verse to another throughout the first five books of the Bible. While no one knows exactly who these authors were, there are clues as to who was writing what and what their motivations were in the text.

Did you know there are two creation stories at the beginning of Genesis, written by at least two authors? One writer is trying to tell the story of the God Yahweh and the other the God Elohim. The Elohist author writes a creation story from Genesis 1:1–2:4a while the Yahwist writes a story from Genesis 2:4b-3:25. Read them separately, writing out the differences in the stories. You’ll very clearly see two different tales by two different authors painting two vastly different pictures of creation.

There are also two flood narratives with Noah, which are much more complicated. But they tell completely different stories if you read them in the right order.

What you have to do is realize that first, the development of the OT was a game of telephone lasting 1000 years or longer. Secondly, the stories came from human beings trying to make sense of the God of Israel. And they had different interpretations, different motivations and wrote at different times in different parts of the land. It was later editors then who tried to weave them all together into one seamless story (which explains discrepancies and confusion, often times from verse to verse), and then even later that the rest of the Bible was added into the Torah narrative.

Now, the reason you see God talked about sometimes as Elohim and other times as the Yahwist is because the two different authors were talking about two different Gods. In the very Ancient Near East, each tribe, small kingdom or other place had their own god. And one of the polytheistic beliefs was that there was a divine council of Gods. Yes, very, very early Jews were polytheistic. Often times the cosmic battles described in the OT are today thought of as angels and demons, but they were originally written as gods of the council. So in Job (thought to be the oldest book in the OT), God’s adversary is not Satan, but another one of the divine council members who wasn’t on Job’s side.

The two authors in Genesis had two different pictures of these cosmic goings on. Yahweh was considered the unique and special God of the people of Israel. Just their God and no one elses (hence chosen-ness and Covenant and what not). The Elohist sees El as the head of the council. The God of the Gods. As later prophets and writers unpacked and further developed the stories that would later form the Hebrew Bible, you see the cosmic battle shift (later authors putting the pieces together) so that Yahweh eventually becomes the one and only God. So in Psalm 82, when it talks about God taking the seat at the head:

God has taken his place in the divine council;
 in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
2 “How long will you judge unjustly
 and show partiality to the wicked?

This is thought by scholars to be the shift of the Israelite God to the head of the council, explaining once and for all how the Israelite God became “THE” God. Eventually the theology of the religion shifted to becoming monotheistic. And unfortunately, as others here have incorrectly stated, those old references from an ancient interpretation of human theology are now looked at from a modern Trinitarian lens. Ancient writers had no concept of the Trinity until about the 3rd century AD. Religion and beliefs changed often, which is why and how so many ancient religions have similar stories (like the flood and creation stories).

 

OK....so back to me.  This then led me to the questions, 'When did the game of telephone' stop and historical, factual, in the NOW moment in time documentation begin as actually and factually lived vs hand me down stories?'  And, 'When were the books of the Bible actually first lived, understood, written historically?'  So this last question (sorry about all the 'so' words), wasn't clearly defined either, but you'll learn more as we go along.  Here are the references I used, again, being transparent as possible that these are not my words, but that of others.  It's clear, you'll see, when I am speaking.  I am way not as scholarly as I'd considered after delving into said materials.

 

In no particular order....

1.  The Abington Bible Commentary, Copyright 1929, The Abington Press, pages 217-222, Chapters 1-2.

2.  The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, Copyright 1999, Josh McDowell, pages 69-82, specifically pages 73 2c - 82 4b.

3.  Zondervan handbook to The Bible, Copyright 1999, Pat & David Alexander, pages 115-120 (Genesis Chapters), also pages 62-65.

4.  Dead Sea Scrolls A New Translation, Copyright 1996,, Michael Wise, Martin Abegg, Jr., and Edward Cook, page 4.

 

Paraphrased by me, all or in part, from the above references: 

The Old Testament was told, then written down, and, historically copied, so as to not be lost by deterioration or destruction over time. This was meticulously done, with import for exactness and reviewed for accuracy, so that the factual history and understood knowledge would be preserved for time immemorial.  

The earliest complete copies we had of the OT dated from about the early 10th century AD, approximately AD 900.  With the finding of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the Judain desert in 1946 or 1947, we now have documentation dating about a thousand years earlier to 125 BC.  These documents confirmed the reliability of the continual exacting transcriptions of our present Hebrew text of the OT.  

We know, with utmost confidence, that the books we study today as the OT, are the same that Jesus and his contemporaries studied.  And we have more to study, as those books from the Dead Sea Scrolls have been translated to print and studied.  And I hope we have more findings in my lifetime to further our studious journey historically.

Bottom line....throughout Judain history, scholars preserved the biblical text....the history, and understood knowledge, without gross error.

 

Quoted from The Abington Bible Commentary:

Permanent Value and Significance, pages 218-219

1.  The Ancient General History

If anyone wishes to know what connection the world has with God if he deserves to discover some unifying principle, some illuminating purpose in history of the earth, he may turn to these chapters as a safe and reliable guide. 

2.  The Patriarchal Narratives

The experience of centuries furnishes abundant evidence that the patriarchal narratives are of estimable value as means of impressing lessons of the reality and providence of God and of encouraging faith and confidence in him.  Moreover, not one iota of their value for purposes of instruction in righteousness have these records lost because doubt has been cast on their absolute historical accuracy.  "If", says Professor McFadyen, "it should be made highly probable that the stories were not strictly historical what should we then have to say? ...  The religious truth to which they give vivid and immortal expression would remain the same.  The story of Abraham would still illustrate the trials and rewards of faith.  The story of Jacob would still illustrate the power of sin to haunt and determine a man's career, and the power of God to humble, discipline and purify a self-confident nature.  The story of Joseph would still illustrate how fidelity amid temptation, wrong and sorrow is crowned at last with glory and honor. (O.T. Criticism and the Christian Church, p. 335, Charles Scribner's Sons, publishers.)  This does not mean that these narratives are without historical worth; on the contrary, they are historical documents of immense value.  Nevertheless, it may not be amiss to remind ourselves that the N.T. points the Christian reader to the O.T. not for instruction in ancient history but for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; and these records, whatever may be their historical shortcomings, are most assuredly profitable for all these purposes (2 Tim. 3: 14-17).  [Please see further references in text, not provided here, nor personally read.]  

 

Back to me again....I find it really thrilling to read the question Professor McFadyen asks in lieu of the later findings of the Dead Sea Scrolls.  Wait....I just took a minute to research John Edgar McFadyen, MA., D.D. Professor of Old Testament Language, Literature, and Theology, United Free Church College, Glasgow (per Abington Press list of Contributors).  How sad he did not get to experience the absolute that the Dead Sea Scrolls provided for the Old Testament and the excitement involved in the finding of them.  Professor McFadyen was born 17 July 1870 and died in 1933.

You are alive now....reading the profound truths contained herein.  Will you believe?  

 

 

 

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When I think of the wisdom and scope of God's plan, I fall to my knees and pray to the Father, the Creator of everything in heaven and on earth.  I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will give you mighty inner strength through his Holy Spirit.  And I pray that Christ will be more and more at home in your hearts as you trust in him.  May your roots go down deep into the soil of God's marvelous love.  And may you have the power to understand, as all God's people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love really is.  May you experience the love of Christ, though it is so great you will never fully understand it.  Then you will be filled with the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

Now glory be to God!  By his mighty power at work within us, he is able to accomplish infinitely more than we would ever dare to ask or hope.  May he be given glory in the church and in Christ Jesus forever and ever through endless ages.  Amen.  Ephesians 3:14-21 NLT         

 

 

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Jesus' Prayer of Thanksgiving

'The Unforced Rhythms of Grace'

 

 

"Abruptly Jesus broke into prayer:  "Thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth.  You've concealed your ways from sophisticates and know-it-alls, but spelled them out clearly to ordinary people.  Yes, Father, that's the way you like to work."

Jesus resumed talking to the people, but now tenderly.  "The Father has given me all these things to do and say.  This is a unique Father - Son operation, coming out of Father and Son intimacies and knowledge.  No one knows the Son the way the Father does, nor the Father the way the Son does.  But I'm not keeping it to myself; I'm ready to go over it line by line with anyone willing to listen."

"Are you tired?  Worn out?  Burned out on religion?  Come to me.  Get away with me and you'll recover your life.  I'll show you how to take a real rest.  Walk with me and work with me - watch how I do it.  Learn the unforced rhythms of grace.  I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn how to live freely and lightly.

 

Matthew 11:  25-30

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I now write most prayers in the position of ' I ' (first person) because most people are sitting at their computer alone, not in groups, and it allows those reading and praying to personalize the prayer as coming from them going to God.  Variations may appear on holidays when families may wish to use the prayer provided.  I encourage you to pray your own prayers as well.

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